Guide to where to counter. (A.K.A. Break Points)

[Blueblur]

Well when i got judo.. I've been studying scrolls a lot more. Here is a guide of where to counter and stuff. [Every scroll should have one i think; except sage master of course...]

Legend:
P - Punch
K- Kick
K+G - Kick/Grab
* - Where to counter

Carats.
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Default:
PP*P
K*K

Street:
PP*P
K*K

Renegade:
PPP*P
PPP*K

Jujitsu:
P*PP*P

TaeKwonDo:
KKK*K
PK*K

Ninjitsu:
PPP*P

Shidokan:
KK*K

Kobudo:
P*PP*P

KungFu:
KKK*K

Murekwon:
PPP*P
KK*K

Taekkykon:
KKK*K

MuayThai:
PPP*K

MaoGong:
P*P*PP
KK*K

Shaolin:
PK*P

Drunken Master:
PP*PP
KK*KK

Avenger:
PPPP*K
KP*KP

Exile:
KKP*K
PPP*K

Lucha:
KK*KP
PPP*P

Red Scorpion:
P*KP
PPPP*P

Astros
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JeetKunDo:
KK*K

Boxing:
PPP*P

Karate:
KK*K
KKP*K
PK*K

Drunken Boxing:
PPP*P

Korshu:
KKK*K

Baghugzing:
PP*PP
PP*KKK

GuemGantu
PP*P

Pro Wrestling:
KP*K

Shoot Boxing:
PPP*P
KKK*K
KP*P

Cap:
KK*KKK
K*K+GK

Judo:
KK*K

Dragon:
KK*K
KK*PPK

Zin Taekwondo: [Thanks RedLight]
KKKK*K

Pa Kua Kwon:
KKP*P
KK*K

Vale Tudo:
P*PKk*K
KK*PP*K
K*Kg

Combat Sambo:
PP*P
KK*PK

Persona:
KK*K

Stinger:
KKKK*K

Blood Wind Ninjitsu:
kkp*kk
kk*kk

Muscle Buster:
PP*PP
KK*KK
KK*P

Infinite Barrage Ninjitsu:
PPP*P
KKK*KK
KKK+GPP*K

Hitman:
PP*PP
KK*K
KPP*K

Muhon's Ninjitsu:
PPKK*K
KKK*K

Agent:
PPP*P
KK*KKK
NOTE: Red Scorpion has a different counter frame that works much better and quicker. Some of these counters may not work with red scorpion, but some might work even better with red scorpion.

[Gnat70]

good job getting all that info :D

8/10 just cuz i dun have judo :/

[RedLight]

yea judo is easy to counter because of the delay with zin i counter the last kick of KKKK

my rating 10/10

[SilentZen]

Wow nice i had a hadr time with zin but thanks

[RedLight]

just make sure you know what kicks your opponent delays that way countering is much easier

Update: for muay thai if someone delays the the kicks like this K*KK it is also counter able. I tried it last night it works. for judo this happend once with the punch combo PPP*P i dunno if i can do it again cuz ppl dont usually delay.

[SilentZen]

well when i use zin i delay the 3rd and 4th kick

[xNite]

Very useful guide. I'll try my best to use these counters on the perfect time.
10/10

[InFamousMe]

Great guide. I tested a lot of them with my friend. They work! Thanks bro.

[Edan]

very nice 10/10
so funny countering Mao
They Like SPAM FEST
and then they like aww countered

[Blueblur]

Ha Ha!

Im glad I can help you all, And I am happy to see the community is getting more used to counters that it used to.

[Yoshi13]

As long as you are blocking, you can instantly counter whenever. This means you can interrupt any attack of any combo (too difficult to counter the second hit of a double-hit e.g. Mao's second punch, Bag's second punch, Karate first kick). It's possible to counter a second hit of a double hit, but it's not easy.

Once you realize this, this guide is just stating the obvious.

If you're attacking a blocking person, are you just going to spam away? Hopefully not. You're going to use delays to mix it up. You probably will end your combo mid-way and drift/throw, or even begin a new combo.

It's only effective during the first few hits of your opponents attacks. The first 2 kicks of many scrolls have little to no delay. Once your opponent gets more control over his/her attack rhythm, attempting a counter is far riskier.

You don't want to encourage people to use counters, because otherwise they will spam it, and we all know how vulnerable a missed counter can leave someone.

Tips for counters are nice, but it's one of those things that are picked up on experience.

[TonyJaa]

nice start for where to counter ^_^

even i dont know when to counter for the new scrolls,, namely cap, shoot, dragon o.o

but i do have some feel of when to counter for the older scrolls.

P*PPK is also counterable in muay thai and several other scrolls o.o

[Blueblur]

As long as you are blocking, you can instantly counter whenever. This means you can interrupt any attack of any combo (too difficult to counter the second hit of a double-hit e.g. Mao's second punch, Bag's second punch, Karate first kick). It's possible to counter a second hit of a double hit, but it's not easy.

Once you realize this, this guide is just stating the obvious.

If you're attacking a blocking person, are you just going to spam away? Hopefully not. You're going to use delays to mix it up. You probably will end your combo mid-way and drift/throw, or even begin a new combo.

It's only effective during the first few hits of your opponents attacks. The first 2 kicks of many scrolls have little to no delay. Once your opponent gets more control over his/her attack rhythm, attempting a counter is far riskier.

You don't want to encourage people to use counters, because otherwise they will spam it, and we all know how vulnerable a missed counter can leave someone.

Tips for counters are nice, but it's one of those things that are picked up on experience.

Yoshi just loves to own me...

[RedLight]

well he does have experience

[Sieg121]

Ha Ha!
Thanks for teaching everyone to counter at these spots, now I wait and stop my attack right before that, they counter and I grab them to death. :)

[KruSuPhy]

I never Grab.

[Llami]

why nots?!?!??!
grabbing is tha bests!

[RedLight]

well its fun for you cuz you have Pro Wrestling :P

[Karrots]

Wow. That's all of the scrolls. G'job.
Hmm... Most of where to counter are before the last hit. Interesting...

[swift49]

Lolz.
This really helps out!

[ThisOne]

You can counter in between TKDs 2nd and 3rd kick as well.....i found that out ccuz i cant seem to time the 3-4 kick counter lol i fail
And you can counter in between Avenger 2-3 punch and karate KK(counter)PK
beware countering karates double punch as you will probably eat the second autohit regardless (most of the time at least)

thats a few more you can add to it
hope it helps

[Slagathor]

In Capoeira, if the person delays at all between 3rd and 4th kick you can counter the 4th kick because of the time it takes for their character to turn and THEN kick.

[RedLight]

You might need to find out Exile counter spots too Blue :)

[Blueblur]

Fo sho', added exile.

[RedLight]

I think these are counter able spots.

Exile - PP*K the launcher and the quick KP maybe K*P? or was it P*K?

[DarknightK]

I think these are counter able spots.

Exile - PP*K the launcher and the quick KP maybe K*P? or was it P*K?

Its K*P. :o

[RedLight]

K*P it is then. I don`t have Gem on this laptop so I can`t test scrolls.

[Jimmy Nguyen]

thanks to oblivion to leading to me to this guide and thanks blue for composing it :O

[Nate]

Useful thread is useful.

[iTrippin]

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